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Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C[edit]
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This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.
The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.
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Green card[edit]
@SHB2000, i won a green card. 
Lionel Cristiano (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- wait, what's a green card? To me, it's synonymous with a permanent residency card. (I'm genuinely confused haha) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a U.S. permanent residency card. Congratulations, Lionel! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, righty. I second Ikan; congratulations! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a U.S. permanent residency card. Congratulations, Lionel! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Gender in the UCOC[edit]
Hi SHB2000, I've seen this section of the m:UCOC mentioned a few times here, and since it's off-topic for the Talk:Buddhism page where you were talking about this with @Ikan Kekek and @Pashley (apologies to anyone I've forgotten), I thought I'd borrow your talk page. Here's what it says:
Respect the way that contributors name and describe themselves. People may use specific terms to describe themselves. As a sign of respect, use these terms when communicating with or about these people, where linguistically or technically feasible. Examples include: [....]
- People who identify with a certain sexual orientation or gender identity using distinct names or pronouns;
What this means is:
- If someone directly tells you "I'm a man", then you should not show disrespect for that person by saying he's lying or by directly calling that person a woman.
What this does not mean is:
- If you accidentally guess wrong, don't see a gender disclosed, forgot that the person previously said what their gender is, didn't take the time check the userpage first to see whether a gender is disclosed, etc., then doing your best (e.g., guessing from the username) is either bad or sanctionable.
They're trying to stop the kinds of exchanges that sound like:
- "Actually, I'm a woman" – "No, you aren't, and I'm going to keep calling you he because I know you're a man", and
- "Actually, I'm trans" – "Our community doesn't accept people like you".
People living in western democracies may find it hard to believe, but pre-UCOC, we actually had at least one Wikipedia that banned gay editors in their policies. Disclosing on your user page was a blockable offense there, even if you never touched a related article.
The main thing to remember is that the UCOC isn't concerned with the kinds of mistakes that all humans make occasionally. That policy is primarily concerned with deliberately malicious behavior. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; that makes sense, WhatamIdoing. I'm actually quite shocked with the Wikipedia policy, but even the western world 15–20 years ago was a very different place than it is today. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not surprised, thinking about it. swwiki recently blocked a user for reporting an admin's anti-queer style of editing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is shocking from our perspective, but as you say, it's not entirely surprising, after you think about it for a bit. If memory serves, that Wikipedia was for a language primarily spoken in a developing country where gay relationships are criminalized. If you want your language's Wikipedia to be respected (especially by teachers or others who might be sensitive to child safety issues), then someone might think it was a good idea to set up a policy to exclude those "criminals". Creating a global rule against this actually relieves some local groups from pressure. (The English Wikipedia is fond of saying that nobody asked for it, but multiple affiliates actually did ask for the UCOC, and enwiki says that about everything, even if you give them evidence of the request being made at enwiki's own Village pump as a community-initiated, CENT-listed RFC. Such claims are basically always wrong, and really mean "The individual complaining about this did not personally ask for it".) Now the affiliates can tell their local politicians and pressure groups "Sorry, I know about our anti-gay laws, and we're all very patriotic here, but Wikipedia is run by a US organization that requires non-discrimination, so there's just nothing we can do about it". WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Figures out – I guess it really does put you in a difficult position if you lived in a country with anti-homosexuality laws, and I say this as someone who's ace, but at least the UCoC helps alleviate this issue. (also agreed on the enwiki bit – enwiki really likes to act as if it were in its own WMF world at times) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is shocking from our perspective, but as you say, it's not entirely surprising, after you think about it for a bit. If memory serves, that Wikipedia was for a language primarily spoken in a developing country where gay relationships are criminalized. If you want your language's Wikipedia to be respected (especially by teachers or others who might be sensitive to child safety issues), then someone might think it was a good idea to set up a policy to exclude those "criminals". Creating a global rule against this actually relieves some local groups from pressure. (The English Wikipedia is fond of saying that nobody asked for it, but multiple affiliates actually did ask for the UCOC, and enwiki says that about everything, even if you give them evidence of the request being made at enwiki's own Village pump as a community-initiated, CENT-listed RFC. Such claims are basically always wrong, and really mean "The individual complaining about this did not personally ask for it".) Now the affiliates can tell their local politicians and pressure groups "Sorry, I know about our anti-gay laws, and we're all very patriotic here, but Wikipedia is run by a US organization that requires non-discrimination, so there's just nothing we can do about it". WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not surprised, thinking about it. swwiki recently blocked a user for reporting an admin's anti-queer style of editing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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blocked ip address[edit]
i tried to edit a post today, but get the following message;
You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: Your username or IP address is blocked from doing this. You may still be able to do other things on this site, such as editing certain pages. You can view the full block details at account contributions. The block was made by SHB2000. The reason given is /32 range exclusively used by Brendan since late 2021. If you've been affected by this range block, please leave a message on User talk:SHB2000. Start of block: 08:54, 29 April 2024 Expiration of block: 08:54, 29 October 2024 Intended blockee: 2001:8004:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Block ID #23146.
not sure who brendan is, but it looks like anyone in the region using 4g will be blocked. is that the desired outcome? 2001:8004:5170:6009:9063:BF69:95A1:87F 23:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Brendan is an LTA based in SEQ (Maroochydore specifically) who used to routinely IP hop using different addresses from that range. I've unblocked that IP range so you can edit. Hope that clarifies things! --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 00:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- thank you, i'm in the northern rivers... certainly a baptism of fire here! 58.171.95.231 03:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, when I usually block a /32 range, I make sure that innocent users affected by it can still contact me since it's a large range to block – it's also why it's only used in mainspace. What I was surprised was that it affected people south of the border too. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 07:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- A /32 range covers 4 billion /64 blocks. I don't know how the IPv6 blocks are allocated, but such a range could easily be enough for much more than an Australian state. –LPfi (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- The /32 rangeblocks are usually very effective in tacking Brendan edits, as I've done several times before, but only use them in extreme circumstances (even more so than the criteria stewards use to global rangeblock /32 IPs). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 08:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Are those criteria public? It would be nice to know how these allocations work and how the reasoning about them goes. –LPfi (talk) 09:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, and even I don't know the full criteria, but often those blocks are mirrored on Meta-Wiki if disruption continues from those ranges and you can imply the reason on a case-by-case (we don't have an exact block policy on Meta, but I've just abstained from doing range blocks over there and letting the stewards do it). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- OK. I wonder whether /48 blocks (or somesuch) could be used in some of the cases where one is tempted to use /32. That would be 64 thousand /64 blocks instead of the 4 billion. –LPfi (talk) 09:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, and even I don't know the full criteria, but often those blocks are mirrored on Meta-Wiki if disruption continues from those ranges and you can imply the reason on a case-by-case (we don't have an exact block policy on Meta, but I've just abstained from doing range blocks over there and letting the stewards do it). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Are those criteria public? It would be nice to know how these allocations work and how the reasoning about them goes. –LPfi (talk) 09:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- The /32 rangeblocks are usually very effective in tacking Brendan edits, as I've done several times before, but only use them in extreme circumstances (even more so than the criteria stewards use to global rangeblock /32 IPs). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 08:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- A /32 range covers 4 billion /64 blocks. I don't know how the IPv6 blocks are allocated, but such a range could easily be enough for much more than an Australian state. –LPfi (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, when I usually block a /32 range, I make sure that innocent users affected by it can still contact me since it's a large range to block – it's also why it's only used in mainspace. What I was surprised was that it affected people south of the border too. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 07:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- thank you, i'm in the northern rivers... certainly a baptism of fire here! 58.171.95.231 03:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)